I suck at the poker

[PerpetualCzech]

Aussie Millions Main Event

Just finished 12 hours of Day 1. After playing so well and confidently for 5 levels I donked most of my chips away in the final level. And I mean donked.

Still barely alive but am zonked and very frustrated. I don't expect to last long tomorrow but will try my hands at the 5K Heads Up knockout.

[JCROM777]

What chief factor made you donk out in the final level ?
Were you playing too many hands or did you just get some bad beats.
Good luck in the 5K Heads Up knockout.

[SlickFazzer]

GL Czech.

[PerpetualCzech]

What chief factor made you donk out in the final level ?

I was tired. I ran the initial starting stack of 20K up to 60K with some really solid aggressive play, was feeling really happy and confident about my play. My 60K is almost all gone and maybe 20 of it was due to 2 specific bad decisions in that last hour, the rest was just bad luck (Aces cracked etc.).

300/600 blinds 75 antes. I am in the BB, fold to the SB who raises to 2000. I call with Kc7h. Flop comes 9h7c6c. I can't remember the exact betsizes but he bet, I raised and he went All-In. I should have known I was beat, esp. since he was such a conservative player but I call anyway, praying he was on some sort of a draw. He had Jc9c. That was donk move #1.

Donk move #2 was on the last hand on the night. I start the hand with about 20K. Aggressive villian raises to 1600 from early position. Two limpers behind him and I call the extra 1000 from the BB With Ah6s. Flop is Kh6h2d. I check, Aggressive villian bets 2300 all fold and I raise to 5600. He calls. Turn is 8d. I bet out about half my stack, he puts me All In and I fold.

I actually don't mind my check-raise so much in that final hand but my final leadout bet was just a gift. I had to have known he was pot committed as soon as he called my raise. Oh well.

[WarDekar]

I was tired. I ran the initial starting stack of 20K up to 60K with some really solid aggressive play, was feeling really happy and confident about my play. My 60K is almost all gone and maybe 20 of it was due to 2 specific bad decisions in that last hour, the rest was just bad luck (Aces cracked etc.).

300/600 blinds 75 antes. I am in the BB, fold to the SB who raises to 2000. I call with Kc7h. Flop comes 9h7c6c. I can't remember the exact betsizes but he bet, I raised and he went All-In. I should have known I was beat, esp. since he was such a conservative player but I call anyway, praying he was on some sort of a draw. He had Jc9c. That was donk move #1.

Please, please, pleeeeease fold pre-flop.

Donk move #2 was on the last hand on the night. I start the hand with about 20K. Aggressive villian raises to 1600 from early position. Two limpers behind him and I call the extra 1000 from the BB With Ah6s. Flop is Kh6h2d. I check, Aggressive villian bets 2300 all fold and I raise to 5600. He calls. Turn is 8d. I bet out about half my stack, he puts me All In and I fold.

I actually don't mind my check-raise so much in that final hand but my final leadout bet was just a gift. I had to have known he was pot committed as soon as he called my raise. Oh well.

Again it's really tough to play a hand like this OOP, especially multiway. Once you get to the flop and check/raise w/e at least you have the nut backdoor draw. I think if you turn another heart leading is probably fine (as you're obviously going to be committed if villain does turn up with a hand), but otherwise you can't lead this turn (and fold!!!). You just put in what 2/3 of your stack and then folded? You realize how difficult it is to overcome hands like this long-term?

[PerpetualCzech]

Oh, I just remembered another interesting hand.

8-handed. 200-400 blinds, 50 antes. Everyone involved in this hand (except me LOL) is an internet pro, including the BB. Early raiser to 1200, call, call and I pick up 77 on the button. I call.

BB with about a stack of 19000 raises about half his stack. Everyone folds to me. What's the move? What's the hand cutoff between the shove and the fold?

[WarDekar]

Fold, he's willing to put in 50BB here he's not squeezing.

For same reason I want to say QQ+

[PerpetualCzech]

Please, please, pleeeeease fold pre-flop.

Really? Potsize is 3200 and it only costs me an extra 1400 to play this hand *in position*. If this is a mistake, I can't see how it's a blunder as you are implying. I should have mentioned he had about 20K to start the hand.

but otherwise you can't lead this turn (and fold!!!).

I hear ya. I already mentioned that above. Believe me, I ain't happy with my play here.

[WarDekar]

Sorry I misread it I thought he was LP and you were OOP

[WarDekar]

And vs. the given villain in hand 1, if you plan on raising the flop you obviously have to get it in as there are so many draws he can be shoving with. On a board like this you only want to be raising 2 things really, 1.) hands that are good enough you're happy to get it in when he shoves and 2.) bluffs that you can immediately dump if he shoves over you

Obviously which you have more often can be very opponent specific, but generally if you raise here you shouldn't be thinking "Oh shit!" when he shoves because you should rather expect it and know what you want to do in response before ever raising. He's [probably] not going to flat a raise here OOP and then have a PSB on the turn (unless for some reason you guys have a weird dynamic and he thinks he has a lot more FE on the turn for w/e reason). He's probably leading a lot of flops here, and when he plans on continuing after a lead it's going to be to shove over your raise pretty much never call it. He either has nothing and is folding or wants to get it in when he has FE and can pick up a pot (or in this case has the nuts and wants to get it in)

[Lee Nelson]

In major events such as this, fatigue can play a crucial role, especially if you have a very aggressive style like PerpCzech. I was watching the last half hour of play and he looked really exhausted. I missed the sb/bb confrontation with the tight player and arrived when he was really short stacked. He then survived two all-ins doubling up twice as a 60/40 favorite and a 46/54 dog and was back to 21,500 with just a few hands to go-not a great stack, but more than enough to come back the next day with an M of 10 and about 25 big blinds. Given his clearly evident fatigue factor, it was time to protect his stack and avoid marginal situations that could threaten his vulnerable chip stack. The A6o hand is exactly the type of hand that can get you into trouble when fatigue and a vulnerable stack size might increase the chances of making a mistake. Putting in 75% of his chips and then folding on the last hand of the night with an M of 2 going into Day 2 is clearly not the way Perp usually plays, and I think fatigue was an important factor in that equation. I was really puzzled when he raised the flop and then bet only half his chips on the turn. Although this can conceivably be done with a very strong hand such as a set, I much more often have seen this type of play from players who know they have to bet cause they've made a play at the pot but don't want to risk their precious few remaining chips. Given the way this hand played out, and given the fact that Perp probably had 5 river outs, pushing the turn would have been a better play given the line Perp chose by raising the flop. His opponent was pretty short too, so losing to Perp's all-in would have crippled him. If Perp had a king, he would certainly have pushed the turn. His opponent must have been wondering why Perp only bet half his stack? An obviously exhausted player making a suspect play was enough for his opponent to respond by deciding to go with his read and putting Perp all-in. He may have had a hand such as a medium pair and would have been put to a tough decision had Perp pushed the turn, although he still may have called since about 40% of Perps chips were already in the pot after the flop.

Having said all this, I think Perp's best play would have been to fold his A6 pre-flop. Even though he was getting the "right price" to call pre-flop he has a hand that is really hard to play in a multi-way pot short stacked and out of position. Given his fatigue, passing pre and living to fight another day with a playable stack size and his usual sharp, aggressive play would have served him better imo.

[Roughrider39]

How many entries in the event?

[Jeff Jones]

I cannot let Perp Czech wrest this title of "Worst Poker Player" away from me. He's doing Aussie Millions, and I'm losing on Bodog.

On numerous trials, Fezz has tried to teach me poker. I never learn.

I'm self aware enough to know that this poker thang requires more patience than I will ever have.

[Jon in Oakland]

I cannot let Perp Czech wrest this title of "Worst Poker Player" away from me. He's doing Aussie Millions, and I'm losing on Bodog.

On numerous trials, Fezz has tried to teach me poker. I never learn.

I'm self aware enough to know that this poker thang requires more patience than I will ever have.

This is like JJ on Quaaludes. Come on Jeff! Let us have it!

[Jeff Jones]

This is like JJ on Quaaludes. Come on Jeff! Let us have it!

Qualuddes? Haven't heard about them for decades. Do they even make them any more?

An ocassional light beer equating to to non-addiictive pain medication. That's all I'm good for anymore at this age.

But I have foresaken poker. I pass the torch to Perp for being the worst.

[admin]

How many entries in the event?

There were something like 680. Just made the final 16 in the Heads Up tourney (64 started). One more round for the money.

[PerpetualCzech]

There were something like 680. Just made the final 16 in the Heads Up tourney (64 started). One more round for the money.

I knew I was going to get the admin signin thing wrong eventually ...

[The Chaperone]

I knew I was going to get the admin signin thing wrong eventually ...

Damn was wondering who the admin ahole was. Was about to ban him from my sub-forum.

:)

[PerpetualCzech]

Lost 2-0 in the money round. Got my money in with the best of it both times, as a 60-40 fave and a 70-30 fave. Either one holding up would have given me a monster chip lead.

Big contrast to how I felt 24 hours ago. I kicked ass today, played really well. Hey Jon, you think I should host a poker room?

[JCROM777]

Donk move 1 - I would have folded pre-flop k7o oop
Donk move 2 - I would have folded pre-flop A6o oop hate ace with any unsuited rag.
Hand 3 with 7's on the button-would have folded, raiser probably had JJ QQ or KK in hole.
Great to hear that day 2 is going well for you. Did you have better cards in the bucket
on day 2 ?

[ha85118511]

I started to play on the cake network doing some sit n goes...i heard it's better play the 45 seat tourneys, tis true? Also, what are some good poker reads, I know it's been asked 1000 times. gracias!

[PerpetualCzech]

Donk move 1 - I would have folded pre-flop k7o oop
Donk move 2 - I would have folded pre-flop A6o oop hate ace with any unsuited rag.
Hand 3 with 7's on the button-would have folded, raiser probably had JJ QQ or KK in hole.
Great to hear that day 2 is going well for you. Did you have better cards in the bucket
on day 2 ?

I lasted about 5 minutes in Day 2 :) What went well was the 5K Heads Up knockout tourney where I got knocked out in Round 3 but still felt I played really well. I am going to try the 10K HORSE tomorrow and that'll be it for the poker.

That K7o wasn't oop BTW

[PerpetualCzech]

Congratulations to Lee, who won the 1K Pot Limit Omaha event (http://www.pokernews.com/news/2009/01/2009-aussie-millions-event-11-final-lee-nelson-wins-1003.htm) last night. Lee is no stranger to success at Aussie Millions, winning the 2006 Main Event for (I believe) a $1.5 million payday.

As for his comments above, I think they are spot on. I was feeling so tired in that last level, I'll remember that very clearly going into my next major tournament. No more sneaking in those extra glasses of wine during the dinner break ...

[WarDekar]

Congrats, Lee!

As for fatigue at the end of the day- maybe the wine at dinner wasn't such a great idea :) Personally I haven't had that problem, but then again I'm about half your age. I like to really ramp up my aggression towards the end of days for a variety of reasons 1.) People are close to making it to day 2 (or 3, 4, 5) and are a little relaxed, just ready to get out of there 2.) People are tired and may play poorly 3.) Reiterate #1 because it's so important, this also holds true on last hands before break as people are ready to get out of there so they aren't going to be willing to play marginal hands

[JCROM777]

Good luck with the 10K HORSE.
Hope you get some great hole cards.

[PerpetualCzech]

Busted out about halfway through the field of 25. Lee is doing well, big fave to reach the final table. Top 5 get money.

PS I hate Razz.

[bryan91]

Sorry to hear that you didn't cash in the Horse Tournanment. Thanks for the updates.

[PerpetualCzech]

I do at least have one happy update. Lee made the final table. He's got about an average stack size. 8 players will start the day today (in about an hour) and 5 will cash. Jesus is the chip leader.

Updates here (http://www.pokernews.com/live-reporting/2009-aussie-millions/event-16/).

[PerpetualCzech]

He finished 4th for 30K. Congrats!

[custer]

At We Want the Max, congrats should go out for 1st place finishes only IMO.

[Lee Nelson]

There should be no congrats for anything less than first place finishes on this site. This policy probably comes from his personal experience at Little Big Horn.

Regards,

Lee